You pitched a five-factor model: total return decomposed into dividend, buyback, revenue growth, margin change, and multiple change. The decomposition is correct. It is also not a strategy — it is arithmetic. It describes the anatomy of a return after the fact; it does not tell you which factor you can forecast better than the market, why, or why that advantage will not immediately arbitrage away.
When I asked what your edge was, you said:
“I have no idea.”
That sentence is the reason this note exists. Not as a rebuke — as a starting point.
Every fundable manager in history could answer that question in one sentence. The purpose of what follows is to get you from a decomposition to an edge, built from first principles, general enough to point at any company, and specific enough to survive an allocator’s questions. Five parts, no filler:
- The Return Engine — the five factors derived from first principles, then turned forward: which factor must move, by how much, and with what probability.
- Where the engine fits, and where it breaks — a domain map, because the first move is classification, not calculation.
- The Pantheon — the great investors, each mapped to the one named, repeatable edge they actually exploit.
- Anatomy of a fundable thesis — the skeleton an allocator writes a check for.
- Applied: Fortress Biotech — the whole apparatus turned on the name you chose, end to end.
Read it in order. The last section is where it all pays off, because it is where the model you pitched me falls apart — and something better takes its place.
Part One
The Return Engine
The five factors, derived and made forward-looking.
Start with price. A share is worth its earnings times what the market will pay for them:
Now decompose EPS growth. With revenue R, net income NI, and share count S:
The term Δ ln (NI/R) is margin change (net margin, additive in logs). The term −Δ ln S is net buyback yield (positive when the share count shrinks, negative when it grows). Total shareholder return then adds the cash paid out directly — the dividend yield. Assemble the pieces and the identity falls out clean:
That is the whole engine. Five terms, no magic. But an identity is not a forecast — so here is what each term actually does:
D dividend yield. Driven by payout policy and earnings stability. Mean-reverts slowly (payout ratios drift to 40–60% over a cycle). Durable where structural — utilities, staples. Forward: start from current yield, adjust for expected payout change.
B net buyback yield. Driven by free cash flow, leverage capacity, and management incentives. Mean-reverts faster (buybacks spike when cash is fat, pause when debt rises). Forward: FCF yield minus reinvestment needs, minus dilution from equity grants.
G revenue growth. Volume (demand, share) plus price (inflation, mix). Low persistence for cyclicals, high for genuine compounders. Forward: GDP + industry growth + company-specific share change.
M margin change. Operating leverage, input costs, pricing power, mix. Mean-reverts strongly — competition erodes excess margin. Forward: anchor to long-run industry margin, adjust only for known structural shifts.
X multiple change. Discount rate (risk-free + equity risk premium), growth expectations, sentiment. Least persistent, most volatile term in the equation. Forward: current multiple vs. its own history, adjusted for the rate path and growth duration.
The upgrade — and the whole point
The identity is backward-looking garbage until you assign expected values and probabilities. Its power is forward: which factor must move, in which direction, by how much, and with what confidence. Convert it into an expected-return bridge. Take a mature industrial — current yield 2%, buyback 3%, revenue +3%, flat margin, P/E 15× against a 10-year average of 16×:
| Factor | Current | Forward est. | Confidence | Expected contribution |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| D dividend | 2.0% | 2.0% | 100% (known) | 2.00% |
| B buyback | 3.0% | 2.5% | 80% (FCF covers) | 2.00% |
| G revenue | 3.0% | 2.5% | 70% (GDP slowing) | 1.75% |
| M margin | 0.0% | +0.5% | 60% (cost program) | 0.30% |
| X multiple | 0.0% | +1.0% → 16× | 50% | 0.50% |
| Expected total return | ≈ 6.55% |
Expected total return ≈ 6.55% — each factor carries a named, probability-weighted share.
The probability-weighted bridge forces the discipline: you must name which factor carries the return and how sure you are. If you cannot assign better-than-even odds to a positive X, then you are quietly betting on multiple expansion — the most dangerous implicit assumption in the business, and the one that has ended more careers than any other.
Where the additive approximation breaks — know the limits of your own tool
- Large multiple swings. If X exceeds ~30%, the log-linear approximation compounds error; switch to the exact multiplicative (1 + X) form.
- Leverage. The identity runs off net income; changes in interest expense smear the line between M and X.
- Share-count moves. Net buyback yield = (buybacks − issuance) / market cap. Where dilution is heavy (early tech, biotech), B is negative and the additive form understates the drag from a growing share count.
- Non-recurring items. One-time charges or gains inside M must be stripped out, or the whole bridge lies to you.
The identity is a discipline tool, not a forecasting machine. It decomposes return into components with known mean-reversion speeds and makes you attach a probability to each. Skip that step and all you have is a decomposition. Do it, and you have the beginning of a thesis.
Part Two
Where the Engine Fits — and Where It Breaks
A domain map. The master’s first move is classification, not calculation.
The five-factor model is a precise instrument for a specific class of going concerns: those where capital allocation, operating leverage, and market pricing converge on a single, transparent earnings stream. Outside that class, the factors either lose meaning or actively mislead. Below is the decision matrix.
| Archetype | Meaningful factors | Corrupted / undefined | Primary tool |
|---|---|---|---|
| Mature industrials / staples | All five: dividend, net buyback, revenue growth, margin change, multiple change | None | DCF / five-factor model |
| High-growth compounders | Revenue growth, multiple change; margin trajectory as swing factor | Dividend, net buyback (often zero / negligible) | DCF with long-duration assumptions |
| Banks / insurers | Net buyback (capital return), multiple change (P/B) | Revenue growth, margin change (loan-loss & underwriting-cycle distortions) | Book value, ROE, P/B, P/TBV |
| Commodities / deep cyclicals | Dividend, net buyback (only in upcycle) | Revenue growth, margin change, multiple change (spot multiples are noise) | Normalized mid-cycle earnings |
| REITs | Dividend (as FFO payout), net buyback (rare) | Revenue growth, margin change (GAAP depreciation & non-cash items corrupt) | FFO / AFFO, NAV |
| Holding cos / conglomerates | Dividend (from subsidiaries), net buyback (parent level) | Revenue growth, margin change (consolidated financials blend unlike businesses) | SOTP / NAV |
| Pre-revenue / optionality | None | All five undefined — no revenue, dividend, buyback, or stable margin / multiple | rNPV, SOTP of pipeline |
| Distressed / sub-liquidation | None | All five corrupted — value depends on capital structure | Asset value, liquidation waterfall |
Connective logic. The five-factor model is a linear decomposition of equity return for a firm with stable financial architecture — predictable payout policy, recurring revenue, and a multiple that reflects terminal growth. Apply it to a bank and you will confuse loan-loss provisioning with margin change; apply it to a commodity miner and you will mistake a spot multiple for intrinsic value. The master’s first step is to identify the regime: is this a cash-flow machine, a balance-sheet story, a portfolio of disparate assets, or a lottery ticket? Only then does the model become a scalpel rather than a hammer.
Classification is the gate; calculation is the path beyond it.
Part Three
The Pantheon
Every legend has one named, repeatable edge.
The history of exceptional returns is not a history of people who understood markets broadly. It is a history of people who understood one thing deeply enough to bet on it repeatedly, at scale, with discipline. The five-factor decomposition you built is a useful map. But a map is not a strategy. Every investor below had a strategy — a named, specific, repeatable claim about where price diverges from value, and why they, specifically, could see it.
| Investor | Factor(s) exploited | Signature edge |
|---|---|---|
| Graham | Asset value (factor 0 — pre-earnings) | Buys liquidation value at a discount; the market’s short-termism creates a systematic gap between book and price that mean-reverts mechanically. |
| Buffett & Munger | Durable margin expansion → multiple re-rating + disciplined capital allocation | Identifies businesses where competitive moats compound margins over decades, then holds long enough for the multiple to reflect what the income statement will eventually prove. |
| Fisher / Lynch | Revenue + earnings growth; scuttlebutt as a proprietary channel check | Pays a fair price for growth others cannot yet quantify because they haven’t done the primary research; PEG discipline prevents overpaying for the story. |
| Dalio | Factor-agnostic; correlation & volatility structure across asset classes | Diversification itself is the alpha — risk parity extracts return-per-unit-of-risk that concentrated equity mandates structurally cannot; the edge is portfolio construction, not security selection. |
| Soros | Multiple / sentiment (factor 5) + reflexivity feedback loops | Prices move fundamentals as much as fundamentals move prices; he bets on the self-reinforcing loop before consensus recognizes it exists, then sizes asymmetrically when conviction is highest. |
| Simons / RenTech | None of the five factors | Statistical signal extraction from microstructure noise at horizons too short for fundamental analysis to matter; the edge is proprietary math and execution, full stop. |
| Marks | Cycle position → implied multiple (factor 5) + price-vs-value spread | Second-level thinking: not “is this good?” but “is the price wrong given what everyone else already believes?” — the edge is reading where in the cycle consensus is most confidently mistaken. |
| Klarman | Asset value + hard catalyst + margin of safety | Buys complexity-discounted assets — spinoffs, bankruptcies, litigation overhangs — where the discount is structural and a defined catalyst compresses it on a known timeline. |
| Druckenmiller | Macro liquidity → earnings-revision cycle → multiple (factors 3, 4, 5) + ruthless sizing | Identifies the inflection in monetary and fiscal liquidity before it flows through to earnings estimates, then concentrates to a degree most institutions are constitutionally incapable of. |
| Griffin / Citadel | Multi-factor, market-neutral; all five harvested simultaneously | Risk management is the product — the edge is the infrastructure to run dozens of factor-harvesting strategies with drawdown controls tight enough that the aggregate Sharpe is institutional-grade. |
The pattern is unambiguous. Graham’s edge is named: net asset value discount. Soros’s edge is named: reflexivity and the self-reinforcing loop. Simons’s edge is named: it is not fundamental at all, which is itself a precise answer. Every one of these investors, if you asked them in 1985 why they would outperform over the next decade, could give you a sentence. Not a framework. Not a decomposition. A sentence with a verb, a mechanism, and a reason the opportunity persists.
Asher’s pitch contained a sophisticated decomposition of what drives returns — and that part is correct and useful. The five-factor model is a legitimate analytical lens. But decomposing the sources of return is not the same as identifying which source you can forecast better than the market, why you can forecast it, and why that advantage does not immediately arbitrage away. Those are three separate questions, and “I have no idea” answers none of them.
A fundable manager can state their edge in one sentence and demonstrate it is repeatable across time, across market regimes, and across the specific securities or situations they target. Klarman’s is essentially: complexity creates discount, catalyst removes it, margin of safety protects the downside. That is a business.
“I have a five-factor model” is a spreadsheet. The distance between those two things is the distance between a fund and a pitch that goes nowhere.
Part Four
Anatomy of a Fundable Thesis
An allocator writes a check for a repeatable process, not a story.
Asher had a story. Here is the skeleton that turns a story into a thesis.
1 Variant Perception
State, in one sentence, the consensus view. Then state yours. Then explain why the gap exists and why it persists.
“Value investing” is not variant perception. “Free embedded options” is not variant perception. Variant perception requires you to name the specific belief the market holds, the specific belief you hold instead, and the structural reason the market hasn’t corrected itself. If you cannot write those three sentences, you do not have a thesis.
2 Mechanism, Catalyst, Timeline
Name which of the five factors re-rates — dividend, buyback, revenue growth, margin, or multiple — and what forces the market to recognize it. A mispricing without a catalyst is a value trap.
| Factor | Catalyst | Timeline |
|---|---|---|
| Multiple expansion (SOTP re-rate) | Announced strategic review of software division | 12–18 months |
| Margin improvement | New CFO; cost program disclosed at investor day | 6–12 months |
The catalyst must be external and observable, not “eventually the market will figure it out.” If your mechanism is “the market will come around,” your timeline is infinite and your thesis is unfundable.
3 Scenario Analysis & Expected Value
Three scenarios. Honest probabilities. One number out.
If your EV is not meaningfully above the current price after honest bear-case weighting, you do not have a thesis — you have hope. The bear case must be built from the kill criteria in section 5, not invented to look rigorous.
4 Position Sizing
Size is a function of edge and risk budget, not enthusiasm. The Kelly intuition: bet proportionally to your edge divided by the variance of outcomes. In practice, use a fraction of Kelly — full Kelly is ruin in a fat-tailed world. A 1.29× EV on a 25% bear case that goes to $18 from $26 is a moderate-conviction position: 3–5% of a concentrated portfolio, not 10%. Reserve the 8–10% slots for situations where the bear case is structurally bounded and the catalyst is near-term and binary. Excitement is not a risk budget.
5 Kill Criteria
Pre-commit to the evidence that makes you exit, before you are in the position and anchored to it. Exit if:
- the strategic review is cancelled without explanation;
- the new CFO reverses the cost program within two quarters;
- software revenue growth decelerates below 10% for two consecutive quarters;
- a competitor announces a product that directly addresses the software division’s core use case.
These are facts, not feelings. “The thesis is taking longer than expected” is not a kill criterion — it is an excuse to hold a broken position.
6 Monitoring
Track the minimum variables that tell you whether the thesis is on or off track: software segment revenue growth (quarterly), EBITDA margin by segment (quarterly), any M&A or activist filings (continuous), and management commentary on separation (every earnings call). Four variables. Not forty.
The Allocator’s Standard
An allocator is not evaluating your conviction. They are evaluating your process — whether your beliefs are falsifiable, your probabilities are calibrated, and your exit is pre-committed. Confidence without calibration is noise. A thesis that cannot be killed is a religion. The skeleton above is fundable because every element can be wrong in a specific, observable, testable way. That is the only kind of right that matters.
Part Five · Applied
Fortress Biotech
Nasdaq: FBIO — the whole apparatus turned on one name, end to end.
You picked the stock. Good — a thesis is only worth what it survives contact with. Watch what the five-factor model does when you point it at a company it was never built for. It dies. Then watch what replaces it.
All figures traced to the Q1-2026 Form 10-Q (three months ended 3/31/2026) unless flagged mkt. Price $2.67, close 8/7/2026.
1 Classify before you calculate
Run the domain map. What is Fortress? Not an operating company. It is a holding company and capital allocator — a parent that incubates biotech subsidiaries, takes voting control, and monetizes them. It consolidates companies it controls but does not fully own; the outside economics sit in a $40.2M non-controlling-interest line. Its revenue is a dermatology business (Journey Medical) blended on the same income statement as early-stage R&D burn from a half-dozen private subs. Now apply your model. Watch every factor break:
| Factor | On FBIO | Verdict |
|---|---|---|
| D Dividend | No common dividend. There is a 9.375% preferred dividend — but that is a cost to the common, ~$8.0M/yr senior claim, not a return to it. | Inverted |
| B Net buyback | Serial issuer. A Jan-2025 exercise of ~21.7M warrants at $1.66 (~$36M raised) built today’s ~33.2M-share base; weighted shares then kept creeping (26.4M → 31.5M YoY) on continued ATM / shelf issuance. | Inverted |
| G Revenue growth | Consolidated revenue blends Journey’s commercial derm sales with subsidiary R&D that has no revenue. “Company revenue growth” is an accounting artifact of what got consolidated this quarter. | Meaningless |
| M Margin change | No stable margin. Q1-2026 shows a $158.9M gain on sale of a Priority Review Voucher — a one-time asset sale — producing $2.82 diluted EPS. There is no operating margin to trend. | Undefined |
| X Multiple change | No durable earnings → no meaningful P/E. The algorithms that extrapolate “−87% EPS next year” are simply watching the one-time PRV gain roll off. | Undefined |
Four of five factors are corrupted; the fifth is a cost. You told me you probably wouldn’t use the model here. You were right — but you couldn’t say why. This is why: FBIO is a portfolio of assets wearing one income statement. The only correct lens is sum-of-the-parts / net asset value, with risk-adjusted NPV on the pipeline. The five-factor engine isn’t wrong about markets; it is the wrong instrument for this patient.
2 Kill the retail headline before it kills you
Open any message board on FBIO and you will read: “$255.8M cash against an $89M market cap — the market is giving you the company for a third of its cash.” This is the seductive-but-wrong number. An allocator’s first job is to destroy it, because if it were true, it would already be arbitraged. That $255.8M is consolidated cash — it includes cash at subsidiaries Fortress does not fully own. Strip the claims that sit ahead of the common shareholder:
| Line | $M | |
|---|---|---|
| Total assets | 356.9 | |
| Less: total liabilities (incl. ~$39M debt, ~$46M PRV remittances owed to NIH / third party) | (154.5) | |
| Total equity | 202.4 | |
| Less: non-controlling interests (economics owned by others) | (40.2) | |
| Equity attributable to Fortress | 162.2 | |
| Less: Series A preferred, senior claim (3.43M sh × $25 liq. pref.) | (85.7) | |
| Common equity, carrying value | ≈ 76.5 |
Net common book is ~$76.5M, or ~$2.30/share on the ~33.2M shares outstanding (book-value basis — don’t conflate it with the 31.5M weighted-average count, which is the EPS denominator). The stock is $2.67 — about 1.16× net common book. The “cash is 3× the company” story evaporates the moment you stop consolidating cash you don’t own and start respecting the preferred stack, the debt, and the money already promised to the NIH. That is what happens when you read a balance sheet like an allocator instead of a headline.
3 The variant perception — the only sentence that matters
That is a variant perception. “FBIO is cheap” is not.
4 The monetization engine — why “repeatable” is earned, not asserted
The entire long case rests on one claim: that value creation here is a repeatable process, not a lucky sale. The record:
- Checkpoint → Sun Pharma (closed 5/30/2025): subsidiary sold; Fortress retains a 2.5% royalty on worldwide net sales of certain products. A cash-light perpetual claim.
- Cyprium PRV (closed 3/30/2026): sold an FDA Rare-Pediatric-Disease Priority Review Voucher for $205M gross. This is the $158.9M gain in the quarter.
- Cyprium / ZYCUBO (Menkes disease, FDA-approved Jan 2026): eligible for up to $128M in sales milestones + tiered 3%–12.5% royalties from partner Sentynl — an annuity that has barely begun ($0.1M booked).
- Urica → Crystalys: Fortress sub holds a stake in Crystalys, which announced a $130M Series B (July 2026) — a fresh third-party mark on a private holding.
The Founders Agreement — the structural engine underneath all of it:
Each partner company hands Fortress 2.5% of its newly issued shares annually plus a 4.5% royalty on net product sales. A capital-light, perpetual claim skimmed across the entire portfolio, in perpetuity — whether or not any single bet works.
Three monetizations in eighteen months, from a standing library of subsidiaries, feeding a royalty layer that compounds. That is the definition of repeatable. This is FBIO’s one-sentence edge — the thing you could not state for your own fund:
“We manufacture and monetize biotech assets, and we keep a royalty on everything that leaves the building.”
5 NAV bridge & the honest gaps
SOTP is the tool; intellectual honesty is the discipline. Here is what I can stand behind and what I explicitly cannot:
| Layer | Value to common | Basis / status |
|---|---|---|
| Net common equity (hard floor) | ~$76.5M | Carrying value, post-NCI, post-preferred 10-Q — of which marked equity investments $18.7M, already inside book at fair value. |
| ZYCUBO milestones (≤$128M) + 3–12.5% royalties | + (rNPV) | Real, contractual; barely begun; discount heavily for timing / probability. |
| Founders royalty (4.5%) + 2.5% equity annuity | + (rNPV) | Structural, perpetual, portfolio-wide; collectibility must be verified in cash-flow statements. |
| Urica / Crystalys stake | + | Level-3; $130M Series B is the reference mark. |
| Journey (DERM) upside over carried | + | Emrosi net revenue $6.25M (Q1’26 ramp); Journey reported +$1.7M adj. EBITDA in Q3’25 (non-GAAP) — exact Fortress ownership % must be pulled before sizing. |
| Mustang / Avenue / private-sub pipeline | + (option) | Deep out-of-the-money optionality. |
| NAV to common | > $76.5M | Floor is hard; the stack above is real but requires two open pulls to size precisely. |
Two gaps I will not paper over, because the Verification Spine forbids it: (1) the exact current Fortress → Journey ownership percentage, which I would pull from Journey’s own SEC filing, not an aggregator; and (2) a cash-flow-statement confirmation that the 4.5% Founders royalty is actually collected in cash, not merely accrued. Until both are nailed, the optionality layer is directionally real but not precisely sized. An allocator would rather hear that sentence than a fabricated NAV.
6 Which factor re-rates, and the catalyst
Name the one factor that must move. On FBIO it is not dividend, buyback, revenue, or margin. It is the discount-to-NAV closing — the SOTP analog of multiple re-rating. Nothing else can drive this stock. The catalyst that forces it: the next monetization event — a subsidiary sale, a new PRV, a milestone surfacing as cash, or (the hard catalyst) a return of capital to common from the $255.8M pile. They just redeemed the Cyprium preferred for $14.2M; they have the means. A tender or buyback would be the cleanest possible proof that the cash belongs to common and not only to the next R&D bet.
Be honest about what this is. The catalyst is management discretion — and so is the bear case. They are the same lever (what the allocator does with the cash) pulled in opposite directions. That means the variance in this position is a governance bet, not a valuation bet. The valuation leg — the hard floor — is what you can prove; the upside leg is a wager that the allocator surfaces value to common rather than consuming it. Say it out loud, because it tells you exactly where the risk lives, and it is why every kill-criterion below is a governance trigger.
7 Scenarios, expected value, verdict
The net-common-book floor of ~$2.30 anchors the downside — but it is not static: the ~$8M/yr preferred dividend erodes it ~$0.24/share per year unless the engine replenishes it. The ~$255.8M consolidated cash buys multi-year runway, so the bear is slow erosion and dilution, not insolvency. And one discipline before the table: at ~1.16× net common book this is not self-evidently cheap — holdcos with weak capital-allocation records routinely trade at persistent 20–40% NAV discounts. The cheapness is conditional on the engine — which is precisely why the engine, not the balance sheet, is the entire argument.
Bull — market credits the recapitalized cash + Journey’s ramp + the royalty annuity; a buyback / tender confirms capital returns to common; NAV to common re-rates to ~$140M. Base — cash + Journey provide a floor; holdco skepticism persists; modest re-rate to ~1.3× net book plus partial credit for optionality. Bear — cash is redeployed into dilutive R&D; preferred keeps draining ~$8M/yr; governance investigations weigh; no new monetization; drifts back toward / below eroding book.
~16% expected edge, with a bear that costs you ~29% against a floor that is real.
Verdict
Buy — small.
Anchor the decision on what you can prove: a hard, recapitalized floor of ~$2.30 in net common book. At $2.67 you are paying roughly $0.37 over that floor for a stack of call options — the monetization engine, the royalty annuity, the Journey ramp, the pipeline — none of which the floor requires. Two of those options I have deliberately not sized (Journey ownership %, Founders-royalty cash), so treat them as upside you did not pay full price for, not as value already booked. The variance is a governance bet — three monetizations in eighteen months is a cluster, not a proven distribution. That limited, honestly-bounded conviction is exactly why this is a 2–4% position, not a 10% one. Confidence without calibration is how you blew the last four calls. This is calibration.
8 Kill criteria — pre-committed, before you are anchored
Exit — regardless of how attached you have become to the story — if:
- A large dilutive raise at or below book with no accretive, disclosed use of proceeds. (Confirms the wealth transfer from common to insiders / preferred.)
- Two consecutive quarters of accelerating cash burn with no monetization event. (The engine has stalled; the floor is eroding.)
- The Founders royalty proves immaterial or uncollectible in the cash-flow statement. (The annuity was the thesis; if it isn’t cash, the thesis isn’t real.)
- The Pomerantz / Levi & Korsinsky investigations escalate to enforcement, restatement, or a material governance finding. (A capital allocator you cannot trust with capital is uninvestable at any discount.)
- Insider / preferred extraction accelerates relative to common value creation. (Play the man, not the game — if the allocator is not aligned, the SOTP is a mirage.)
“A thesis that cannot be killed is a religion.”
Verification Spine
Every FBIO figure traced to primary source — the Q1-2026 Form 10-Q (three months ended 3/31/2026). Market price $2.67 at close 8/7/2026; reconfirm before transmission.
Two figures deliberately left unsized pending primary pulls: exact Fortress → Journey (DERM) ownership %, and cash-flow confirmation of the 4.5% Founders royalty. Directionally real; not fabricated.
What this was really about
You pitched me a decomposition and called it a strategy. FBIO is the proof of the difference. The five-factor model told you nothing here — worse, it would have actively misled you, because four of its five inputs are corrupted on a holding company. The edge was never in the decomposition. It was in classifying the company correctly, destroying the seductive-but-wrong number, naming the one factor that can re-rate, and pre-committing to what would prove you wrong. That is a repeatable process. Point it at any company and it works, because it does not depend on the company — it depends on you.
That is the difference between a fund and a spreadsheet. Now go build the one for the name you actually want to own — and when someone asks what your edge is, do not ever again say “I have no idea.”